Moving Conversations

Moving Conversation #5: Roberta Estrela D’Alva & Vinicius Mariano De Carvalho

Modern Moves organised a stupendous MOVING CONVERSATION on the 8th of February. Our guests were Brazilian Slammer, hip hop artist, and all round Black Atlantic performance diva ROBERTA ESTRELA D’ALVA, in conversation with our charming, knowledgeable colleague from the Brazil Institute at King’s College London, the man whose conversation is laced with samba and bossa nova songs, DR VINICIUS MARIANO DE CARVALHO. For this Brazilian themed event there were also Caipirinha and doces and salgados from the KCL catering team, and DJ John Armstrong to make sure there is a fantastic playlist of Brazilian music in the house! Moreover, Master sambista from Rio de Janeira, Jimmy de Oliveira, creator of the samba styles ‘samba funkeado’ and ‘samba fragmentado’ graced the occasion with a special set of performances for us!
Please find the full report below!

Moving Conversation #5 – 18th February 2016: 
by Ananya Kabir  

‘Hiphop saves lives’—Roberta Estrela D’Alva

‘If we talk about the potential for change, we are talking about the favela as the most creative place in Brazil today’—Vinicius Mariano de Carvalho

 These two comments, by our guests at this, the fifth in our Moving Conversation series, sum up the trajectory of this fascinating and energetic encounter between them. Roberta of Sao Paulo, whose multi-dimensional career encompasses slam poetry, theatre, performance, singing, academic writing, all folded into the composite character of the ‘Actor-MC’ (which she both embodies and theorises), was in conversation with the equally multi-dimensional Vinicius of King’s Brazil Institute, an academic who sings, conducts, and writes with equal ease. These Brazilians meeting in London were able to spark off in the Anatomy Museum that ‘flash of spirit’ (in the words of Robert Farris Thompson) that animates the dance floor and that, in our vision, animates our Moving Conversations. 

v-and-r 

Fittingly, they started the conversation not with speech but with song—and that too, a song about the god of metalwork and iron, Ogum (Ogun), the Brazilian form assumed by the Yoruba deity Ogun within the Afro-Brazilian religion Candomblè. This improvised call and response between the two conversationalists, riffing on each others’ names within their rendering of a traditional ponto do candomblè, set the tone for the rest of the evening.

Vinicius and Roberta improvise with a Ponto de Caboclo

The conversation moved seamlessly from discussions of oral performative traditions within Brazilian culture and their intersections with a global, modern form such as hiphop, to Roberta’s artistic and intellectual influences (which includes the semiotician Paul Zumthor), to the ability of Black social dance to ‘save lives’ by transforming violence into the creative impulse, be it in the streets of the Bronx or the favelas of Rio de Janeiro, and, most importantly, to the inseparable nature of the sacred and the profane as manifested in all versions of the Black social dance.

 

While Roberta returned repeatedly to examples from the history of hiphop to illustrate these points, Vinicius took those examples back to the case of Brazil. Deeper Black Atlantic kinaesthetic connections could emerge thereby which, of course, is the overall intention of Modern Moves to press out and theorize from. Thus showing clips from the film A Batalha do Passinhowhich focuses on the Brazilian dance style ‘funk carioca’, revealed the social and kinetic similarities between it and hiphop. In both forms, similar body movements and footwork translated the intricacy of energy flows into kinetic virtuosity. The transformative force of hiphop as well as Brazilian dance forms, and their formation through trauma and slavery as the foundational violence of the Americas, emerged clearly through the discussion. It was confirmed in the discussion of the pedagogic potential of these dances that continued with questions from the audience.


The speakers made brilliant use of the multi-media possibilities of the Anatomy Museum. Footage from two films illustrating Brazil’s cultural debt to its indigenous and Afro-Brazilian populations-- Festas e rituais Bororo (dir. Luis Carlos Reis, 1917) and O Pagador de promessas (dir.  Anselmo Duarte, 1962), provided rich counterpoint to their conversation, as did footage from films about hiphop, Roberta’s own performance in Orfeo Mestiço and her film on poetry slams worldwide. This contrapuntal play between what we saw and what we heard beautifully confirmed how, in Vinicius’s words, ‘the violence of the founding moment was also an energetic recreation of the world’. This energetic recreation was reflected in the many illustrations, both visual and spoken, of the street as a demotic creative space, pervaded, in the case of Brazil, with the energy of carnival, the Brazilian religions of Catholicism, Caboclo, Candomblè and Umbanda, and the constant dialogue between the secular, the sacred, and the profane as resulting from the longing to re-connect with ‘Africa’ through what Roberta called 'the trance' and 'the dance.'

hiphop and the longing for 'Africa'

    
In Roberta’s words, Black Atlantic dance culture is as a mosaic of fragments of memory. From rituals to the goddess Iemanja (Yemaya/ Yemanja) to James Brown’s scream to the musical process of sampling, this mosaic re-assembled through new technologies in a process of constant updating. Fittingly for this validation of Black Atlantic connections through the carnival spirit, the event was illuminated by two breathtaking demonstrations of samba in partner dance format: an opening performance of samba de gafieira and a post-conversation follow-up with samba funkeado (‘funked up samba’) by the samba de gafieira maestro visiting from Rio de Janeiro visiting London at that moment, Jimmy de Oliviera, who was partnered ably by Ulle Adamson of London. Vinicius, Roberta, and our King’s College London colleague Felipe Correa also jammed together to the Brazilian classic ‘Berimbau’ by Sergio Mendes, whose chorus the audience joined in as well.
Roberta, Vinicius, and Felipe perform 'Berimbau'

To summarise: this Moving Conversation moved beyond now-standard approaches to Brazilian embodied culture through the models of anthropophagy and lusotropicalism, and brought back into the frame both the Black Atlantic and Amazonia. To round off the evening in our now established style, DJ John Armstrong of London's Institute of Light played two virtuoso sets on both Vinyl and CD, and a full house danced, talked, enjoyed the caipirinhas and Brazilian doces and salgados (sweets and savouries) on offer while absorbing, in Vinicius’s words, Roberta’s ‘desire for life, to make changes, and the energy for construction’. 
Jimmy de Oliveira and Ulle Adamson perform samba de gafieira
Jimmy de Oliveira and Ulle Adamson perform samba de gafieira
doces, salgados, and caipirinhas from KCL catering
doces, salgados, and caipirinhas from KCL catering
John Armstrong at the decks
John Armstrong at the decks
The Modern Moves team with our speakers and performers
The Modern Moves team with our speakers and performers
Vinicius Mariano de Carvalho
Vinicius Mariano de Carvalho
and Roberta Estrela D'Alva
and Roberta Estrela D’Alva